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post Sep 30 2010, 07:02 PM
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I started this template about a year ago and then stopped it when Teemu told me he was going to extend it to Niagara Falls. Teemu sent me the new Buffalo route yesterday and I will work it along side the PRR Eastern. The Buffalo route is only about 60 miles long but it has almost 1300 sidings. It is a huge industrial switching route with 8 Railroads involved.

Teemu has done a great job on this route.

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post Nov 23 2010, 02:38 PM
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QUOTE(xpdingo @ Sep 30 2010, 08:02 PM) *
I started this template about a year ago and then stopped it when Teemu told me he was going to extend it to Niagara Falls. Teemu sent me the new Buffalo route yesterday and I will work it along side the PRR Eastern. The Buffalo route is only about 60 miles long but it has almost 1300 sidings. It is a huge industrial switching route with 8 Railroads involved.

Teemu has done a great job on this route.

Pete


I've always liked this route but found it challenging to create activities for. I'm sure your template will see a fair amount of use. wink.gif
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post Nov 24 2010, 02:40 PM
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QUOTE(Train-a-Mania @ Nov 23 2010, 02:38 PM) *
I've always liked this route but found it challenging to create activities for. I'm sure your template will see a fair amount of use. wink.gif


Teemu is not done with the route but with the info he has shared with me it will be worth waiting for. I have what he has completed so far and it is an outstanding route. If you love switching you will love this.

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post Apr 21 2011, 08:43 AM
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Hi Guys - any further info on the Buffalo Route. Any idea when it will be released with template?? I love switching and am looking forward to this one.
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post Apr 28 2011, 06:09 PM
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QUOTE(smokeytc @ Apr 21 2011, 08:43 AM) *
Hi Guys - any further info on the Buffalo Route. Any idea when it will be released with template?? I love switching and am looking forward to this one.
Ted


I know that Pete is still working on it.


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post Feb 24 2012, 08:25 PM
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QUOTE(smokeytc @ Apr 21 2011, 08:43 AM) *
Hi Guys - any further info on the Buffalo Route. Any idea when it will be released with template?? I love switching and am looking forward to this one.
Ted


Good news on the Buffalo route. When I spoke to Teemu he was testing the route before release. Craig's Buffalo map will be released at the same time. This map is about intense as a map can be.

THANKS CRAIG

Now the real good news, Rick Franzosa has been working on a engine and rolling stock set made just for this route. The set will include 36 to 48 engines for the 8 railroads in the route. It will also include 172 pieces of rolling stock. It contains road names not available anywhere else. The set will be available at http://www.valleypass.com/ when released. Rick has done an outstanding job on this set.

THANKS RICK

The "Buffalo Set" will be used in the template to be released here.

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post May 18 2012, 10:09 AM
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I know that Denis has taken over working on the template for Pete, but what is the latest news about the route?
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post May 18 2012, 11:06 AM
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QUOTE(Train-a-Mania @ May 18 2012, 10:09 AM) *
I know that Denis has taken over working on the template for Pete, but what is the latest news about the route?



Hi Nick,

To the latest news with Pete about a week ago, Teemu, the route builder is still beta testing the route. No change since the day I have received the route about two weeks ago. In the meantime Rick (from Zoza trains) is progressing with the Buffalo mega pack and is getting closer to completing the mega-stock. Once ready, it will be available at the BLW/ZT website.

On my side, since the transfer, while working on the Dominion Atlantic Template, I have been studying the route, trying to locate the trackage for each of the multiple railroads that are part of this mega route. That will be a major issue during construction. I have received Craig's most recent version of the Buffalo map and studying it. I am doing some exploration as well with the paths already present with the Beta version of the route. It will definitely will become my biggest project ever. Lots of work ahead.

For those who doesn't know, the future template will require Rick's mega pack as it was built to go with the Buffalo route. It has been made with the route in mind. There will be some additional downloads and am currently selecting what will complete the download package. I am trying to keep the downloads as low as possible but here it be probably larger compared with my earlier templates. Not an easy task ahead.

The first phase will be installing the markers on this route. in 2007, if some of you remember, I have reached a limit of markers on the Burton-Derby (BD) route and my ACT file wouldn'l load. I could put only 765 markers while the route had 890 serviceable sidings. I have reloaded the BD route and template 10 days ago to test this issue and was able to add up the remaining markers to complete the total number .

That means this seem not to be a MSTS limit but the PC used. At the time I had a 2GHz Pentium 4. Today I have a dual-core and will try to push the limit evenmore to find out if I could install all the markers in one ACT file. That would ease greatly things, Time will tell if I succeed.

I have finished the Dominion Atlantic Template and will move full steam ahead on this one.

So that's it for the time being and will update later with more developments.


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post May 18 2012, 12:40 PM
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Denis,
Can't wait for your DAR Template, back on subject I did a template for the Buffalo Beta 1 large Bethlehlem (Lackawana) Steel plant on the route my estimate is it is about 1/2 mile wide by a mile long. There are over 100+ marked tracks in and around the mill. Some of the downloads that will be required are hot metal cars, slag cars and ingot cars + 2 Bethlehem switchers and EMD SW and a 50 ton GE calf and cow. All of the rolling stock is from train-sim.com

The only area I found problems was some of the curves on the north end of the mill scrap and teaming area, I needed a short wheel based spacer car to push the cars up the high line.
There are so many siddings in the mill area it could be a complete temlate ins its self

Peter


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post May 18 2012, 05:27 PM
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QUOTE(dgionet @ May 18 2012, 11:06 AM) *
Hi Nick,

To the latest news with Pete about a week ago, Teemu, the route builder is still beta testing the route. No change since the day I have received the route about two weeks ago. In the meantime Rick (from Zoza trains) is progressing with the Buffalo mega pack and is getting closer to completing the mega-stock. Once ready, it will be available at the BLW/ZT website.

On my side, since the transfer, while working on the Dominion Atlantic Template, I have been studying the route, trying to locate the trackage for each of the multiple railroads that are part of this mega route. That will be a major issue during construction. I have received Craig's most recent version of the Buffalo map and studying it. I am doing some exploration as well with the paths already present with the Beta version of the route. It will definitely will become my biggest project ever. Lots of work ahead.

For those who doesn't know, the future template will require Rick's mega pack as it was built to go with the Buffalo route. It has been made with the route in mind. There will be some additional downloads and am currently selecting what will complete the download package. I am trying to keep the downloads as low as possible but here it be probably larger compared with my earlier templates. Not an easy task ahead.

The first phase will be installing the markers on this route. in 2007, if some of you remember, I have reached a limit of markers on the Burton-Derby (BD) route and my ACT file wouldn'l load. I could put only 765 markers while the route had 890 serviceable sidings. I have reloaded the BD route and template 10 days ago to test this issue and was able to add up the remaining markers to complete the total number .

That means this seem not to be a MSTS limit but the PC used. At the time I had a 2GHz Pentium 4. Today I have a dual-core and will try to push the limit evenmore to find out if I could install all the markers in one ACT file. That would ease greatly things, Time will tell if I succeed.

I have finished the Dominion Atlantic Template and will move full steam ahead on this one.

So that's it for the time being and will update later with more developments.


Denis:

I want to take this time to thank you for taking this template on. I got injured a while back and when I asked Denis to step in he said yes with no delay.

I had been working with Rick from ValleyPass since January on this and Rick has gone all the way with this set. The set will contain 36 to 48 engines and 172 pieces of rolling stock from 9 railroads. It is custom made for this template.

Once I am able I will continue work on the PRR Eastern which the WB is done with 72 templates.

Again, Thanks Denis for taking this on.

Pete
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post May 18 2012, 05:31 PM
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QUOTE(Train-a-Mania @ May 18 2012, 10:09 AM) *
I know that Denis has taken over working on the template for Pete, but what is the latest news about the route?


Nick:

I have been trying to get in touch with you with no luck so far. Maybe I have the wrong address.

Pete
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post May 20 2012, 09:16 PM
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Just to confirm that I have started tonight to put the first twelve (12) markers on the route. I hope to complete the task in about two to four weeks, hoping MSTS will still load with so many markers. Will make backups in case of problems. The process will be long and complex. If unsuccessful, there is a plan "B" on the side.

Rick is continuing to provide newly finished stock for the template.

So, that's it. It's a small start but will eventually complete the task.


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post May 22 2012, 09:50 AM
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Denis,

This whole project has really caught my interest. If you need a tester, let me know.

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post May 22 2012, 10:36 AM
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Thanks Al for your volunteering,I'll take note.

Now for some news. I have been in contact with Teemu yesterday and must for the time being stop working on marking the sidings. I have been working with Teemu's Beta 821 version. He has made important changes to the route and is now on Beta 830.

Creating paths as well as markers on an earlier version may become invalid on more recent route versions since the TDB file is subject to modifications.

Probably the best thing to do is to wait for the official release of the route and then move ahead with the project. Even though the route's release is still to come, I can still prepare for the template release by getting a better knowledge of the areas and maybe start to designate regions s I get the route updates. Once released, this aspect will make things faster.

I have been working with Craig's Beta 814 release. That helps a lot pending the route release.

Will update later as it develops. I hope to include some teasers later.


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post May 28 2012, 07:19 PM
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Hello to all,

While waiting for the route to be released, I took the time to set the regions that will be part of the route. Due to the complex network, I have been toggling between Craig's maps, some Niagara region interactive topo maps on the net and the AE to properly locate each railroad set of tracks and the markers for each region. It has been a difficult task but finally got over it. The yards that are part of the route are regions on their own. The total count of regions ended at ... 99 regions. Since there will be multiple templates, probably by railroad, the regions will be spreaded out in multiple TDB files.

Despite the fact the route database of the latest version has some important diffrences with the one I worked with, the overall region settings should remains as is. Only the regions content may change slightly.

Another very important step was also done. I have been able to install more than 1250 markers in one single ACT file. In 2007, with the Burton-Derby route template, the count stopped at around 765. More than that, the ACT file wouldn't load. That means that once the markers will be set with the first template and ACT file, that should make things faster for the remaining templates. That means I won't have to install the markers again for each template. Well let's hope this will hold during the real thing.

I don't expect to use more than 1200-1225 sidings since the sidings located in the engine shops or the Buffalo terminal to set passenger cars won't be used for the template.

Here's a screenshot of the ACT file in the AE with the 1256 markers. The number on the lower left says it all. The first is 32768 and the last is 34023. 1256 markers.



Rick has finished all the stock for his mega pack and has started the testing.

Well that's it for the time being. The route is not out yet but the project is quite active with those of us involved.


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post May 29 2012, 04:19 AM
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post May 29 2012, 10:29 AM
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Quite true Benny.

I have started to look at the trackage rights into Buffalo and have started with the TH&B railroad. To what I have found online, the TH&B had trackage rights from Fort Erie via the international bridge and using the CN and PC lines to enter Buffalo. I have seen some TH&B Geeps exiting PC's Frontier yard. That may set a foundation for a template between the CN yards in Fort Erie and the Frontier Yard.

Did the TH&B enter via Niagara Falls and if so, on what line(s) and did it go down to Buffalo? That would be same question for the CN.

The N&W, the B&O have little trackage in Buffalo and would like to use the stock as most as possible. I know the N&W has a small yard in Fort Erie as well.

Any help as to their respective trackage rights would be appreciated. I will try to collect on my side as much info as I can regarding this issue. Don't hesitate to correct if necessary my findings.

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post Jun 4 2012, 12:14 PM
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Dennis...did you get the track diagram for 831?

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post Jun 4 2012, 04:48 PM
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Hi Craig,

My apologies for the delay to reply. I have been busy lately since the route is still pending release. I have decided to focus on other non-MSTS issues while waiting for the route to be released.

I did receive your map and looks great as usual. Considering what you have suggested, that would be a good idea to highlight the changes made to the route. Once the route is released, you can put the finishing touch to this huge and complex map network.

I am still gathering as much information as possible on operations and trackage rights of the different railroads.

Thanks again Craig and will wait for your document.





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post Jun 25 2012, 01:40 PM
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Hello to all,

It has been a while since the last post and am still waiting for news from Teemu about development of the route. Having no idea about when the route will be released, I have decided last week to start working in building the template with the latest version (831), knowing I may have to start it again if the route database had been subject to changes, thus rendering some of the markers invalid. That will be seen later. Even if this happens, experience gathered from the current construction will make things faster. I have gathered enough knowledge about the route network to push ahead.The first priority is to find out, as mentioned earlier, if the ACT file will be able to hold all markers and up to 300 pieces of rolling stock.

I have started with the NIAJ to create the very first template and concentrate the markers throughout the entire Niagara region (CDN and US). I have put close to 200 markers, 15 regions and created one path from the NIAJ yards to the Niagara industrial region South.

BTW, I would like to thank Tim Muir, the builder of the NIAJ electric engines (seen here), who has agreed to allow me to include his package with the oncoming template. Also you can see Rick's mega pack here and looks great. Great work Rick! Your work will not go here unnoticed with this template project.

One question here with the first picture: did the NIAJ electric engines actually ventured in the NIAJ yards or was it limited at the Foote yards and South? Your help will be appreciatd.

Here are the very first template shots of the Buffalo here at the NIAJ and at the Foote Yards and the results overall are very satisfactory.





Although the FPS on the shots are about 5, this won't be the case once the packages are refined to keep only the regions necessary to use the respective templates. FPS should be a lot higher once done.


From the current files, I have used them to create a second template, for the PC which covers from Niagara to the PC Frontier yard. From the NIAJ files, I have continued to add more markers and regions. I have done the same with the EL, the LV and am currently working one for the N&W. I am installing only one path for each template to test the package.

So far, I have installed close to 550 markers and set 50 regions with their respective names, that is about halfway through the database.

Once the PC and EL have been done, I have set a traffic train and tested the crossover of both raillines at Walmore and has been satisfied of the result of a meet of both railroads.

Here's the result of the meet.





I did not take many shots here, trying to concentrate on the complex work of editing many files and working with the AE to make this possible. Hope to come with some additional pictures later.

Will continue building the rest of the markers and hope to be able to deliver what has been hoped.

Will update later.


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