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MSTS Route--Rocky Mountain Div. East
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post Sep 8 2010, 03:33 PM
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Hello to all,

Lukas Lusser and his contributors have released today the above route, which is actually the RMD-1 and RMD-2 combined and updated, that is from Harlowton to Deer Lodge. He has also released railstock to go along with the route. I am downloading the route as I write to find out if it is suitable for a template. I believe it will be, since the latest route of the Milwaukee series, the RMD-1 had the sidings marked.

Work is also done on the rest of the route from Deer Lodge to Avery in the future.Not sure when but will be interesting to follow its progress which can be seen inthe TS forum.

Will update later for the results of the present download.


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post Sep 8 2010, 06:38 PM
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The route is definitely good for a template as the sidings look all marked.

It includes the following lines as mentioned in the description of the route files:

1) The Milwaukee Road electrified mainline from Harlowton via Threeforks and Butte to Deer Lodge,
2) the Northern Pacific Butte Shortline from Logan via Pipestone to Butte, and the adjacent Northern Pacific Mainline from Butte to Deer Lodge,
3) The Butte, Anaconda & Pacific electrified mainline in its entirety, as well as the electrified branches to Butte Hill and Anaconda Smelter Hill,
4) the Anaconda Copper & Electric Railway interurban from Anaconda to Opportunity and to Smelter Hill.

If no one else would like to give it a shot, I am willing to give it a try. Since Moe (dispatcher) was the template maker for the earlier RMD-1 route, his call first for the template making if he wants to work one. If not, I will start working for one. Will get some stock and will start exploring the route. I believe this one will take some time to do because of so many railroads involved, the length of the lines and the number of required downloads I believe will be higher than usual due to the presence of four railroads.

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post Sep 8 2010, 08:17 PM
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Here are some teaser shots along the BA&P line between Butte and Anaconda













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post Sep 9 2010, 07:30 PM
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Hello,

Moe has given me the permission to proceed with the template and I thank him for the privilege. I am currently gathering the necessaary rolling stock.

The Timeframe is expected to be around 1966.

Why 1966? It was in December 1965 that the sd45 was introduced and the NP purchased 30 of these engines. They were the last diesel engines under NP before the merge with BN in the early 70's. In terms of diesel motive power, the only good looking NP engines available in MSTS I have found were in the Mophouse forum; the NP GP9's, used in the RMD-4 template and the ones that will be used in the current template the NP SD45's. Although use of the engines will require ownership of the MLT Cascades Crossing route and the SP heritage pack 1, I believe it is worth the effort to use these beauties from Dean Kurowski (Sceeters Paint Shop).

An additional reason behind the timeframe: the BA&P's electrification was abandoned in 1967. Using the BA&P stock released in TS will be perfect for the task. I do not expect to use any diesel engines in the MILW, only electric motive power: Little Joes, EF1's and ES-2's, the latter one for yard work in Harlowton, Three Forks and Deer Lodge. Of course, the player will always have the option of changing the engines to his personal preferences, including MILW diesel power.

Well, that's it so far and let's go on with the project and will update regularly its progress


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post Sep 11 2010, 07:23 PM
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Hi to all,

A major change have been done to the timeframe and especially to the rolling stock that will be used in the route template, mostly in the NP templates

About the Northern Pacific line and roster, I have scrapped the NP SD45 because of the need to have two payware loads, although I was ready to accept two payware sets to use them. Instead I will be re-using the GP9’s, previously used in the RMD-4 template which needs only one payware. In addition to the Geeps, there will also be F7’s as the main power along the NP, found in TS.

Consequently, the timeframe will be rolled back in the early 60’s, during the pre-sd45 era. Except for two of the downloads that were required for the RMD-4 template (milw_e47.zip and the milwhvy2.zip ) the downloads used for the RMD-4 will be the same in the present template.

In addition to the present stock and following some time spent looking at some videos and pictures along the electrified line, 40 and 48ft tankers, 40 ft airslide hoppers and 53ft flat cars of the era will be added, not to forget gondolas with various loads. MILW electric Boxcars with the 60’s era livery will replace those used in the RMD-4 template with the 70’s livery. To finish the list, both complete trainsets (found in TS) of NP’s North Coast Limited and the MILW’s Olympian Hiawatha will be part of the package as you can see here in the following picture.



That makes the total number of downloads to 24 (22 in TS and two in the Mophouse forum (both NP GP9’s). That may be a little more than I usually set but since there is expected to have the rest of the electrified line released in the future, the downloads are expected to remain the same, minus the three downloads used for the BA&P line which may be absent for the other sections. With more than 400 miles of electrified trackage, I feel comfortable increasing the list and maximize the route’s potential.

I will continue exploration of the route before putting my first template marker.

Lots of work ahead but is advancing…


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post Sep 12 2010, 03:45 PM
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Denis,

With as good as this half the division looks I can't wait to see your templates.


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post Sep 12 2010, 04:55 PM
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Hi Paul,

Great to see that yourself are able to post shots as well here. So far, I have started to build the traffic patterns (WB and EB) on the whole area. Each traffic pattern will apply on all 3 WB templates and the same for the EB. I have moved early to 7h30 the starting time of all the WB template player trains (MILW, NP and the BA&P). The main reason is that I have used genuine 1956 (MILW) and 1959(NP) timetables to establish departure time respectively at Deer Lodge and at Butte for the Olympian Hiawatha (OH) and the North Coast Limited (NCL). I have not found any timetable on the BA&P line and have set the Anaconda departure between both transcon trains.

On the NP, the NCL's departure at Butte was around 7h45 AM and arrived to Logan at around 9h40 AM and then away from the RMD_East route towards Bozeman MT. In the MILW, the OH's left Deer Lodge at about 8h00 and reached Harlowton at 13h40. On the AE, the OH it arrives about 30 minutes earlier at Harlowton compared to the original timetables. Not too bad compared to genuine schedules.

Well that's it so far and the work continues.


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post Sep 16 2010, 02:41 PM
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Thanks for taking this on, Denis. I've been too busy to try out the route yet, but it looks stunning from all of the screenshots I've been seeing!
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post Sep 24 2010, 08:46 PM
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Hello to all,

I have just finished tonight the template package for the RMD_East route. Here are some of the details: 7 templates, EB and WB for each the MILW, NP and the BA&P and the YARDS templates which includes yard work inside Harlowton, Three Forks, Butte, Deer Lodge, Silver Bow (NP) Anaconda (BA&P) and Butte Hill (BA&P). A total of 138 sidings will be serviceable throughout all lines.

For the YARDS Template, the default player train is the MILW ES-2 electric switcher.If you intend to work inside the other RR’s , simply change the engines in AG to the ones used in the other RR’s. It’s a lot simpler than creating additional player consists and storing them in a different folder.

The traffic patterns for the EB and WB Templates apply for all three RR’s in each direction. The YARDS template has its own traffic pattern.

There are 28 consist files, 45 different paths and 52 service files and probably as many traffic trains throughout all templates. Trains on each railroad have about a 2-hour interval to allow work within a reasonable time. However expect shorter delays in crossing other trains since between Lombard and Deer Lodge, lines run parallel and in the Silver Bow canyon, all three lines run along the narrowed area.

Time of departure for the player trains have been set based on actual departure times in the late 50’s for the North Coast Limited (NP) and the Hiawatha (MILW) passenger trains, they are set for 7h30 for the WB and 13h30 for the EB.

Benny (bennycdn) has started testing the WB template last week and I thank him for his assistance, I will be sending him the remaining pack to test. I will start doing the same as well.

I am including some shots taken so far. Lots of work ahead.

Will update later









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post Sep 25 2010, 06:49 AM
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Hi again,

Had a few minutes to start testing and started with the WB path at Piedmont. This one is actually one which simulates that you are already on your run and have reached Piedmont. That's where this one starts. You can add also if necessary helper trains at Piedmont before your climb up to the continental divide at Donald.

Here are some spectacular shots while climbing. I haven't finished the whole climb, having reached Grace and had a meet up there. Will continue later. After all, we have all other matters to deal with during the day. Will resume later on. Here are the shots as promised. Lukas Lusser's has done a tremendous job in updating both the RMD1 and RMD2 route and combine them to what it stands now.

Enjoy







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post Sep 26 2010, 07:36 PM
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Hello to all,

I have been busy working the helper trains issue of the template from both sides of the Continental divide.

In addition to the default stock that will be used with the template package, those among us may have some diesel motive power of the early 60's. Like myself, in the case here the MILW GP35's(from MSTSGMO) and SD7 & SD9's (from CLW), you may decide to substitute the player engines from electric to diesel. If you proceed to change to diesel use of helper trains will be quite essential climbing up the mountains.

On the MILW line, there will be helper trains (EF-5 set) at Piedmont (WB) and Butte (EB). On the NP help will come from three GP9's located at Butte (EB) and at Whitehall (WB). Along the NP, it is suggested not have consists longer that 35 cars, in addition to the 4 F-Units and the three Geeps on the back if helpers are used. I have tested along the NP with 40 cars and helpers and found out that at least one siding counld't contain the player consist. I will proceed in adjusting the AI trains having not more than 40 cars, including the head engines.

With the EF-5 set at 6800 hp without any helper units, I was able to pull up 50 cars up the mountains but it gets really slow closing in Donald at 12-15 mph. With 2 little Joes at 5500 hp each (11,000 hp) it is a lot easier to climb up the grades with the same stock unassisted. However, the maximum number of cars at Piedmont will be at 40, just to be safe in regards to sidings length along the rest of the MILW line.

It will be preferable to hook up your helper trains at the end for all player trains. Once at the Donald (MILW) or Homestake (NP) platforms, simply unhook your helpers there to allow them to return to their point of origin. I have seen some photos at Pipestone Pass of the MILW electric helper trains unhooked there and preparing the returning trip down while the rest of the consist resumed its trip the other way downward.

I am including some beautiful photos around the mountains from both lines. Great Job Lukas!

Will be continuing testing the route later this week











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post Oct 1 2010, 07:13 PM
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Hi to all,

Continuing testing of the templates with Benny. Have made some slight Traffic time changes and added one extra traffic train. So far it looks good.The following pictures are all from the NP templates. On the NP EB from Butte, climbing up the grades will be pretty steep. With 4 F units and 3 Helpers, pulling up 25 cars will make it up but not above 30mph for a while before closing in near Homestake at the summit. So the helpers will be a must unless adding up units with AG. Just remember not to go over 35 cars along the NP line because of some short sidings to meet trains.
First two WB at Lombard on its way to Logan


Hooking up with the helpers at Butte before the climb

Leaving Butte to start climbing the steep grades

The next two around Skones



Next, I will work on both the MILW line and the NP WB from Three Forks and Logan

More updates to come


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post Oct 3 2010, 07:36 PM
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Testing of the route continues and have worked between Three Forks and Piedmont (MILW) and from Logan to Whitehall (NP). Benny is continuing to send reports of his testing and it looks OK so far.

Some shots

Hooking up at Three Forks


Meet at Sappington


Both pictures towards Jefferson Island

View towards the tail of the train


Another meet at Piedmont


Four NP F-units Hooking up at Logan


Both Railroads (MILW and NP) meet at Sappington.

On that one, if some of you notice here, there is no electric wiring along the NP and at the same time we see the wiring along the MILW. This is because Lukas has made the wiring as being part of the scenery. Quite a feat here because usually MSTS cannot have distinct type of electrified and non electrified tracks at the same time.

Work near Silver Bow


Will update later as Benny and I continue testing


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post Oct 7 2010, 07:15 PM
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Testing the templates is continuing and am expecting to send the whole package to Steve in about one week at the latest. I have added an 8th template. Due to rolling stock issues, I have created the BAPYARDS Template to allow only the proper rolling stock inside its limits, including mostly BA&P hoppers and only 40ft rolling stock. Work includes the Anaconda and Butte Hill areas.

The BA&P YARDS Template for the Butte Hill path includes the Rocker Yard to allow setouts of full hoppers from the mines and to bring back empty hoppers to the mines uphill. Although there are two areas to serve, there are four distinct regions. They are Called Butte Hill-OUT and -IN as well for one of the two sidings in Rocker called Rocker-IN and the other siding called –OUT. This arrangement will allow to pickup full hoppers from the Butte Hill-OUT area to be carried to the Rocker-IN area. Once there, the player will be able to pickup the empties from the Rocker-OUT area and to bring them back to the final setout at Butte Hill-IN area. When entering or exiting the Rocker Yard area, make sure to get clearance from the dispatcher (Alt-TAB) to proceed ahead.

Here are some pictures from the BA&P Butte Hill area and including one extra picture of the MILW in Butte








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post Oct 10 2010, 07:41 PM
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Hi to all,

I have encountered a major problem during testing the MILW EB Template. When arriving at Francis to wait for the next train, which was the Olympian Hiawatha (OH), I had to wait an hour for the OH from Sixteen to reach Francis before moving again. I have checked the movement of the Hiawatha in the AE and found out that the OH slowed down considerably at around Canyon and couldn't resume at normal speed later. I have made changes to the consist, replacing the E-Units by one Little Joe, created a new path or reduced the length of the consist but couldn't resolve the problem.

I have found out that the Olympian Hiawatha ended service in may of 1961. That means that the timeframe for the templates have been moved to 1962 and, unfortunately, will have to scrap the OH from the package. That is the only way I could resolve the problem. For the NP's North Coast Limited, I haven't met any lenghty delays like the OH and it looks OK to keep it in the package. As template makers, things like this does happen unfortunately and am sad to lose the OH. It will reduce the download load by one, small consolation indeed! Other than this issue, testing the whole package went smoothly all the way.

In the meantime here's another shot on the MILW EB close to Donald. Hope to release the whole package by the end of the week.



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post Oct 14 2010, 05:59 PM
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Hi to all,

I am waiting for Benny's last report before deciding or not to release the template package for this week-end. I have been working between Three Forks and Harlowton and ended successfully a four hour run along the MILW.

I have adjusted the Little Joe player consist because I have noticed a mistake in mounting the last part of the train. Putting the wrong MU-Jacks file caused the locos being able to uncouple from the cars. Now it is OK. I had created a ninth template which depicts a NP local run with a return trip between Logan and Lombard. NP Geeps are the player trains for this one. The sidings and the TDB file have been reorganised to allow a return trip from and to Logan.

I am including what may be the last screenshots of the route before its release

Between Three Forks and Harlowton
The first two working the cuts at Cardinal




Deerpark for the next two




Towards Ringling


Reaching Harlowton


The next two on the NPLOCALS Template working at Lombard


Will confirm later once the package complete and sent to Steve for upload



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post Oct 15 2010, 04:18 PM
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Hello to all,

The package is now ready and has been sent to Steve for uploading in the templates page.

Thanks to Benny (bennycdn) who has helped in testing the templates and hope you will all enjoy the whole package and evenmore the route itself of which Lukas A Lusser has done a great job in merging and updating both the RMD 1 & 2 routes.

Be also on the lookout for Moe's oncoming maps for the route which will be a big help to us users of the route.

Thanks in advance Moe and Happy Train-Simming to all.


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post Oct 15 2010, 05:12 PM
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QUOTE(dgionet @ Oct 15 2010, 04:18 PM) *
Hello to all,

The package is now ready and has been sent to Steve for uploading in the templates page.

Thanks to Benny (bennycdn) who has helped in testing the templates and hope you will all enjoy the whole package and evenmore the route itself of which Lukas A Lusser has done a great job in merging and updating both the RMD 1 & 2 routes.

Be also on the lookout for Moe's oncoming maps for the route which will be a big help to us users of the route.

Thanks in advance Moe and Happy Train-Simming to all.

I am cleaning up some loose ends and changes but I should have the schematics out in a few days.

Moe


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post Oct 17 2010, 03:30 PM
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Just to mention that Moe (dispatcher) has released today the maps for the route at TS and has done a great work despite the complexity of dealing with three railroads.

Great work Moe and Thanks!


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post Nov 1 2010, 04:01 PM
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Hi All. I know that everyone is busy but I was wondering what happened to the RMD East template. Was looking forward to it as this is a beautiful route. Last post was on Oct.17. Greg.
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